44.x.x.x Amateur IP space was reserved at a time prior to TCP/IP was generally available. 

If you look at the way it is managed/routed you would be wise to avoid it for HSMM. We have outgrown its usefulness so just use the IP space you get from your Internet provider. Start thinking about IPv6 and VPNs instead.

Hi Rich,

I am new on hsmm-mesh. I like what I see and will be intersting in hearing more about your project as it develops.

I have access to equipment and am going to study this a bit along with testing etc.

I look forward to the adventure with the help of other folks.

Bill Erhardt K7MT Helena, Mt.

http://www.k7mt.com

Hi folks:

Last full free day of 2011 myself, KB8JXX and N6SPP set up four v0.4.2 mesh nodes and put them on the Internet with an AT&T Wimax service. This is all happening at the KL7AA shack www.kl7aa.net.

Next step is to put one of these up on the Hillside of the city for the best LOS for the area and do some site surveys. Additionally I would like to vpn to other nodes including Craig, K1BDX in Houston as well as have the IRLP node work through the mesh using one of the three Internet providers I have available to me: DSL, Wimax and Hughesnet.

Regards,

Rich - AL4S

Legal considerations when using HSMM-MESH(TM)

The hsmm-mesh.org web page is intended to provide technical assistance to those experimenting with HSMM-MESH(TM). We urge all amateur radio operators to obey the law. 

HSMM-MESH(TM) is tremendously versatile, and at times there are legal questions about how the FCC Part-97 rules and regulations might apply to a particular use of the system. While we can often help with technical questions, we can be of little help with legal questions. The developers of HSMM-MESH(TM) encourage hams to follow the law, but none of our team is empowered to interpret the law. Therefore it is impossible for us to offer definitive answers to legal questions. 

The HSMM-MESH(TM) developers strongly urge users to review the Design Philosophy of HSMM-MESH(TM).

<http://hsmm-mesh.org/documentation/67-hsmm-mesh-design-philosophy.html>

If you find yourself with legal questions, it is possible you are not using HSMM-MESH(TM) as intended. It was never intended as a replacement for Part-15 devices and systems.

While the “rules and regs” are common topics of discussion with hams, it is important to be clear that only someone duly empowered to interpret the law, can offer a definitive answer to legal questions. While we all have our opinions, as to what the law means, unless we are duly appointed to interpret the law, our opinions have no legal standing.

In a number of ham radio on line forums, there have been heated debates about personal opinions of what the law means. The discussions sometimes turned ugly and unproductive, with various hams expressing essentially opposite interpretations of the rules and regs, an insisting they were correct. I do not know of any case where a definitive answer was had, despite all the words traded. A number of the sites eventually degenerated into arguments between a few posters, until everyone went away and the forum disappeared. We do not wish to repeat that experiment here.

So unless we have someone participating in these forum discussions, that is empowered to interpret the law, we cannot offer any definitive interpretations of the law. And if we cannot offer any definitive answers, it would probably just stick to technical issues where we have a chance of being some help. 

If we get any news on rule changes, we can offer pointers to sites that specialize in that sort of thing.

-Glenn

KD5MFW

Well, I haven't been able to get any authoritative answers. I emailed the ARRL Regulatory branch last week but haven't received any response to date. I'm not an attorney but I did some more research and learned a few things that have effectively convinced me to operate under local control or remote control but not automatic control.

Here's my thinking on this: 1) If you only swapped out the antenna on a part 15 FCC certified radio to one that wasn't certified as part of that radio's original equipment, you can no longer operate it under Part 15. It doesn't matter that you haven't changed the transmitter power, just changing the antenna voids the Part 15 certification. You'll need an appropriate license such as an Amateur Radio license and of course, you can only operate the radio within the limits of your license under Part 97.

2) Part 97.109 says: (e) No station may be automatically controlled while transmitting third party communications, except a station transmitting a RTTY or data emission. All messages that are retransmitted must originate at a station that is being locally or remotely controlled. For me that means that even if it was OK to use automatic control to originate those third party messages, they can't be legally retransmitted.

Right there, that's a show stopper. In order to effectively route messages, I'm going need to rely on other digital stations automatically forwarding them. The way I read Part 97.109, no stations can legally retransmit my original message unless I used local or remote control. If I used automatic control, they can't retransmit.

So, now, the only remaining question is: How do control operators meet the requirement to continuously monitor participation of third parties when the third parties are generating emails on their PCs destined to go out over the HSMM-MESH network?

I struggled with this and after a bit, it hit me. IT managers are notoriously protective of their networks and keep their firewalls buttoned up. I'm a retired IT Manager for a State agency and I don't know of anybody in a similar position in any government agency or hospital that's likely allow a connection to an unknown network.

Where I worked, we didn't allow contractors or even employees to connect any devices that the agency didn't own and control. I'd guess that connecting directly to a hospital network is not a likely scenario.

Despite my guess, maybe some of the folks who frequent HSMM-MESH.org have had experiences in which they were allowed to directly connect a served organizations PCs to HSMM-MESH. If so, perhaps they can offer some guidance on this issue. In the meantime, I'm struggling with solutions for getting typed messages in and out without rewriting them. 73 Mark KV4I

I recently used this setup at a friend's remote property to give him access to the internet from his Mom's house approximately 2 miles away.  He lives on the edge of his small town and neither DSL or Cable internet is available to him.  I enclosed everything in a sprinkle time box and mounted it on the mast below a 24db mesh antenna.  Works great!

I am curious if anyone here has used this hardware in a HSMM-MESH function or have contemplated doing so.

TNX

Jim Holt, KM6MO

Digital Tuesday will resume in the new year, aka 2012, on the third Tuesday of the month, January 17th.  Same Bat-time, Same Bat-Channel, and probably the same Bat-Cave. :-)

Happy New Year!

            -Rusty- 

just a minor update, I've found a fantastic cheap case for the nodes.   Bradley 25mm canon ammo boxes.  totally waterproof cheap and very robust.   The case is big enough for a router + 1 or more gel batteries + enough space so it doesn't overheat too quickly.

ps heres the link

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180730276652?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_1028wt_1163

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Interested in any mesh activity in the Raleigh area, or starting a local mesh if one does not already exist.

KV4I,

Just checking in.  WM4DE

Several folks in Volusia County have recently expressed interest in HSMM-MESH. Due to the kindness of the HSMM-MESH.org folks, we now have a place to discuss a Volusia MESH without annoying the general membership in our Yahoo groups. (Well, no more than I usually annoy them.)

I've installed HSMM-MESH on my WRT54GL and it was a piece of cake. I've got the use of a 24dbi 2.4 GHz parabolic (thanks, Bud) and am anxious to test things out.

If you have a node, a router that could become a node and\or a 2.4 Ghz antenna to volunteer for some testing, please post here.

Thanks & 73

Mark KV4I

Hey guys (and gals maybe :P), just a quick note to say hi.

Looking to start a small mesh network here in the daytona beach/port orange area, wondering if anyone else here is in that area that wants to partner with me.

already have a couple of sites here available for us, looking to try and get a couple of routers relatively cheap to start off with to get my feet wet. if anyone can help with a supply of those that would be great too..