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Subject :Re:Why Encryption?..
2013-04-23- 04:29:10
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Why Encryption?
We are still faced with a problem though.....
Lets say you do use a WEP key, that is cracked in under a minute (I've done it)
Lets say you use a WPA key, thats better but keep the password strong.
Now at this point we must legally publish the key to get onto the network which makes this moot.. Lets assume that's not the case, anyone who can access a node can now sniff all traffic on the line.
You suggested SSL but since we don't have a CA it would be VERY easy for anyone to strip or intercept the SSL communication.
However..... I don't think any of this is required, with the way these nodes are setup nobody can just wireless connect. They must use another node, it would be a good idea to setup a mac address system that block unapproved nodes so that someone can't just flash a router and hop on.
That of course isn't perfect since people can sniff mac addresses easily, of course you still have the issue that while a normal wifi device cannot connect you could modify one to do so... The thing here though is that the average person and even today's average Tech wouldn't know how to do this.
I'm sure these networks might some day be targeted but it would be by few and far between by those few who really understand whats going on with these networks.
Just my 80 cents... |
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Subject :Re:Utah County..
2013-04-23- 02:27:31
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I am getting close to getting my node put up in Spanish fork. I'm waiting on my 25 db gain yagi(I'm assuming something closer 11 to 12 db gain) I got off of eday out of Hong Kong. I hope I will get everything by the weekend, and ill get it set up. I am up on the east bench in Spanish fork, so I should have a pretty good line of sight . Ill keep everyone posted on my progress. what are people running for software to communicate. I have my firmware upgraded in the router, but just wondering what's popular in Utah county for communication software.
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Subject :Re:Why Encryption?..
2013-04-22- 16:10:17
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Why Encryption?
What I took from the CQ article is that it depends on why you're encrypting the traffic. They mentioned network security and access control, and also repeater control codes. This sticks out to me because not only is a mesh node basically a repeater, but the admin pages for each one are unencrypted. When you log in, the root password for that node is going over the air in plain text. (Of course, something like WPA would prevent the casual listener from seeing this, but if the key could be obtained or cracked somehow, this would be moot.) I think that using SSL for the admin page (ie, giving it an https:// url) would be a wise idea. It would require some work on the firmware, which I am looking into, but I think it could be done technically. Without it, there is the possibility of a casual WiFi sniffer to lift the password and tamper with a node. If the mesh is being used for something like emergency communications a measure like this would be very important for the stability of the network. Of course, the workaround is to just access the admin page only through a wired connection and never through the mesh, but this could be impractical for a remote site.
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Subject :Re:Cheap New Grid Antennas 24DBi..
2013-04-20- 12:12:50
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Cheap New Grid Antennas 24DBi
I finally found some time today to do some comparisons between directional antennas. We didn't have enough time to test my omnidirectionals, so I'll have to test those another day. There was a light rain/snow falling, so that may have affected the results. But the intensity of the precipitation remained pretty consistent through all my tests, so hopefully the results are valid in comparison to each other.
For the first round of tests the nodes were 2.9 miles apart in a mostly rural area. There were some houses between them but not nearly as many as in a suburban area. And both nodes were high enough to have a clear line of sight. One end used a cantenna made from a soup can. At the other end I tried several antennas and got these SNR ratios:
Cantenna: 5
MFJ-1800 yagi: 9
Hyperlink 19dbi parabolic grid: 12
Hyperlink 19dbi parabolic grid + 500mw amplifier: 25
We noticed that the MFJ-1800 was much more sensitive to being aimed in exactly the right direction than the other 2. But it had significantly less wind load than the parabolic grid.
We then drove to a spot that was 5.9 miles from the first node. There was now a small town between the nodes but most of the area was still rural. It was still half raining, half snowing lightly and the wind was blowing harder. We had an unobstructed line of sight back to the first node. My fingers were getting cold enough that I didn't stay long enough to try all the antennas. I measured these SNRs:
Hyperlink 19dbi parabolic grid: 10
Hyperlink 19dbi parabolic grid + 500mw amplifier: 21
I was pleased with these results given that one end of the connection was just using a soup can antenna and that we had light precipitation attenuating the signals. I was surprised that the 500mw amplifier on just one end of the connection made as big a difference as it did; I had expected it to add half as many db as it did.
I want to thank KC7OY for standing out in the snow with me and helping to conduct these tests. It would have taken much longer if I'd done them alone.
I'm planning to do another round of tests in an area where I can have a 20 mile unobstructed view. But I've got some travel and other events coming up, so it may be a month or two before I get a chance to conduct those tests. I'll report back once I do. |
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Subject :Re:20dbi Omni for under $10?..
2013-04-20- 11:14:09
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20dbi Omni for under $10?
I'm highly skeptical. If it does work, you'll need to be sure it's precisely aligned vertically. It's got to have a narrow vertical pattern if it's got that much gain. There's probably some basic physical limitation that an omni antenna of x wavelengths can only have a gain of f(x). It's 15 inches long, which is 3 wavelengths. As a very crude estimate, assume that's like 6 dipoles stacked up on top of each other. A dipole is roughly 2 dbi. 6x power is 8 db, giving around 10 dbi. Real antennas are probably less efficient. As I said, that's definitely a SWAG guess. I'm not an antenna expert.
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I'm not part of the development team, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I'm also easily confused.
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Subject :Ubiquiti Nanostation LOCO M2..
2013-04-20- 10:04:54
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Ubiquiti Nanostation LOCO M2
Are the Ubiquiti Nanostation LOCO M2 compatible with the mesh firmware? What about the Bullet M? From what I read, seems like maybe it's not supported yet, but will be soon?
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Subject :Re:DC power draw for WRT54g routers..
2013-04-20- 03:44:06
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DC power draw for WRT54g routers
I found the following FAQ entry. http://hsmm-mesh.org/section-blog/37-hardware-faqs/56-how-long-will-a-wrt54g-run-from-a-battery.html
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I'm not part of the development team, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I'm also easily confused.
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Subject :20dbi Omni for under $10?..
2013-04-19- 16:01:34
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20dbi Omni for under $10?
Just ordered a couple of these. Does anyone have any experience? It just seems too good to be true that you can get the same gain as many of the dish antennas with a glorified rubber ducky. That said, even if it is only 10-15dbi, it should more than do what I need done. Anyone else have any insights? KE7YKP
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Subject :Re:DC power draw for WRT54g routers..
2013-04-17- 16:29:51
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DC power draw for WRT54g routers
I've got a v2.2 WRT54G. After about a minute or so when it's finished booting I've measured the power draw at about 320 mA at about 12.5 volts (a 12 volt gel cell I had on hand). This is with it idling and not connected to any nodes, so I suppose if there was a lot of traffic this could be a little higher but I doubt it'd be much more. |
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Subject :Re:up and running..
2013-04-17- 16:26:35
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up and running
I'm in Schenectady, and I just got my first node flashed. I'm in an apartment and can't really get a good antenna up, otherwise I'd link. If I can think of something I'll let you know. |
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Subject :Biquad build..
2013-04-17- 16:02:50
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I built a biquad using the data here http://martybugs.net/wireless/biquad/

This antenna was very impressive for it's size.
I added it to a dish.

This setup works quite well. Combined with a 2W amp on each end, was able to do a 9.6 mile link with another station that is using that 24dBi grid antenna with a 92% link quality. The bare biquad actually was able to do the link as well. Don't have link quality data, but it showed up on the signal strength screen.
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Subject :Re:Get Involved!..
2013-04-17- 14:59:18
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We are making headway here in Phoenix...slowly, but surely.
www.phxmesh.com |
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Subject :Re:Longest NA Mesh 2-Way Contact?..
2013-04-17- 14:24:59
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Longest NA Mesh 2-Way Contact?
Please allow me to clarify a bit about our 47+ mile mesh link:
* The majority of our path (97+%) is over salt water, which some have called "nature's amplifier". We are fortunate in this regard and the conditions are not likely to be found except in a few parts of the US.
* Both ends of the path are several hundred feet above water with no obstructions
* I have found that blockage by vegetation can significantly attenuate signals, depending on the type & thickness of the obstruction.
* Be mindful of blockage within the Fresnel zone of the path
* Mesh is most certainly a "line of sight" propagation mechanism, but higher power helps on those paths which become "link-limited" due to free-space path loss
Hope this helps & good luck on linking up on those long paths.
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Subject :Re:Longest NA Mesh 2-Way Contact?..
2013-04-17- 02:14:12
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Longest NA Mesh 2-Way Contact?
Unfortunately there is a line of tall trees south of my location, so I can't reach Spanish Fork from here. However I am working on putting together some portable units, and once I do I intend to try them out from various locations in the valley to see what I can reach. |
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Subject :Re:DC power draw for WRT54g routers..
2013-04-17- 00:25:24
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Subject :Re:Longest NA Mesh 2-Way Contact?..
2013-04-16- 18:30:02
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Longest NA Mesh 2-Way Contact?
I dont know ow your 30 mile test went, but if you want to try an 18 mile test, I am just about ready to get my setup mounted up on my antenna mast (around 30 feet high) I am just trying to figure out if I am going to run a lower gain omni, or a 24 dbi grid. I am new to the hsmm-mesh network, I heard some guys talking about it on a local repeater, and being in networking, this seems right up my alley. |
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Subject :Re:Toronto / York Region Introduction..
2013-04-15- 09:15:37
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Toronto / York Region Introduction
Hi Anthony,
I think that sounds like a great idea.
We are trying to set up a Demo for the York Region Emergency Preparedness day May 4th at the York Region HQ in Newmarket.
We'll be attempting to deploy a small area Mesh and that could be an opportunity to check things out.
Drop me a line on the side and we can coordinate more: va3srv@geee-mail.com (edit appropriately! ;)
Cheers
Steve
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Subject :Re:Toronto / York Region Introduction..
2013-04-15- 01:17:44
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Greg, Matt, Steve,
There is a substantial interest in this project at the Mississauga club http://marc.on.ca now and we are looking to make a pilot installation for the Field Day.
We were wondering if it is possible for a few of us to come to one of your club meetings or meet you elsewhere and have a longer discussion on the subject, share the experience and ideas. Would it be possible to meet with you around mid- or early-May?
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Subject :Re:Longest NA Mesh 2-Way Contact?..
2013-04-14- 11:59:17
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What did you learn along the way that let you extend the distance on your most recent tests? Were you still using the same antennas as before? Did you try any other antennas at these distances? I'm preparing to do a 30 mile link to help with an event in October, and I'd like to learn as much as I can about what has and has not worked for others. |
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Subject :Re:Getting started and finding hardware..
2013-04-14- 08:47:27
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Thanks for the info, I'll be getting some equipment then! By the way, great site here with a lot of good information. I had been thinking about why Hams seem to be stuck at 1200 and 9600 buad, and then found this site. Now there are some options to move data at some higher speeds. Will KB8YGA
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